Historical Group

ORIGINS

The Ton Class Association has had a specific Historical Objective since its foundation in 1987, namely “To compile a permanent record of all information and data relating to Ton Class Ships, for the benefit of historical research”.  The first Ton Class Historian, John Robbie, then spent 12 years assembling an operational record of each of the 117 Ships in the Class, until he was unable to continue due to his professional work load.

TCA HISTORICAL GROUP

The TCA Historical Group was started in 1999 based on a idea developed by Bob Dean, at that time the Assistant Historian. The small Historical Group consists of Jeremy Stewart, who concentrates on the research and updating of the records and Bob Dean, now “Team Leader of the Historical Group” who also looks after the archives.  His role is to co-ordinate all research activity directed towards compiling a detailed operational record of each ship in the Class, enhanced by the inclusion of the personal reminiscences of officers and ratings who served in them. Additionally TCA member Gordon Palframan & his wife visit the National Archives at Kew to scrutinise the ships logs transcribing the relevant information and passing the records for the updating our records. The group also hope to establish relationships with other maritime archives, particularly the Royal Naval Museum at Portsmouth and the Naval Historical Branch.

 

WOTTON

SHIP RECORDS

The Ship Records form the core of the Ton Class database, and are compiled from all available sources, written and verbal:  Ships Logs, Reports of Proceedings, Training Records and personal Diaries, together with extracts from contemporary reports located in the National Archives at Kew.  Individuals who were in the RN or RNR are invited to contribute their own reminiscences, which are included in the record at the appropriate place, and attributed to each source by name.  Concurrently, records are being compiled of the ships which were dedicated to Ton support e.g. ABDIEL, WOODBRIDGE HAVEN , and of the technical and stores organisation in the many parts of the world where the ships were based.

PHOTOGRAPHIC LIBRARY

Concurrent with the assembly of the Ship Records, the Group is gathering together a large and comprehensive library of  photographs and slides, coloured and b&w.  This collection is held on behalf of the Group by Bob Dean, who is preparing a catalogue showing the details and origins of each photo or slide.  The pictures depict each ship of the class, at various stages of their lives  and in different settings.  The collection also contains detailed pictures of operations in progress, and external and internal fittings.  Each picture in the collection is attributed, where ever possible, for copyright purposes.  Photographs can be made available to TCA Members, and to those members of the general public who care to make a voluntary donation towards the upkeep of the collection.

SHIP & EQUIPMENT DRAWINGS

The Group holds some sets of detailed drawings of ships of the class in different roles, which are of interest to model makers. There is also a  collection of ship and equipment drawings on microfiche (currently unavailable), which have been loaned to the Association by the Ship Construction Division at Bath.  Further, the Group is collecting examples of the relevant Instructional Leaflets (ILs) which were produced by HMS VERNON to assist MCM  training courses. Further information can be obtained from Bob Dean.

NEWSPAPER CUTTINGS

The Group is steadily enlarging its collection of Newspaper Cuttings relevant to the Tons from the National and local Press, and from ‘NAVY NEWS’, together with relevant articles printed in magazines and periodicals.  These are also being catalogued.

 

10th MSS – Lisbon 1964

PROJECTS

The Ship Records and associated collections described above are used to support a number of specific Projects being undertaken by members of the Group. Chief amongst these are:

A.  Operation ‘MUSKETEER’ – Tons at the 1956 Suez Landings   –  (Peter Kaufmann).

B.  HMS FISKERTON 1958-1969

C.  Tons sold/transferred to Foreign & Commonwealth Navies

D.  ‘Life in the Tons’ – Personal Experiences of Service in Tons  (Stan Hudson edited by Bob Dean)

E.  ‘Ships Company Project’  –  Nominal Lists of Ships Companies  (Jeremy Stewart)

F. Ton ‘Timeline’ –  (Jeremy Stewart)

G. Cyprus ‘Emergency’  –  (Jeremy Stewart)

We always need new volunteer Researchers: Research topics by negotiation. Please contact Bob Dean (See below)

TON TALK

The Group’s most important task is to support the Editor of the TCA’s bi-monthly journal ‘TON TALK’  with a steady stream of new articles, stories and pictures.  These are drawn from the Ship Records and photograph collection, and TON TALK is the normal medium for the publication of brief personal reminiscences, with the prior approval of the author.  The Directing Staff may also commission articles for this purpose.

OTHER OUTPUTS

The TCA’s Historical Database exists to supply other Historians and authors with pertinent material for articles in other journals and ultimately books. All articles and photographs published will be attributed by name.

WANTED

The Historical Group is looking for a regular input of information, photographs and stories about Ton Class Ships and their crews, with nominal lists where available, and about technical and stores support for the class throughout its life.  All such material will be acknowledged,  copied and returned.

 

Exercise ‘NORTHERN MERGER’

If you happen to be going through your old personal papers and come across any information about the Tons, however brief,  that you are willing to share with the Group , please contact Bob Dean or Jeremy Stewart by telephone, E-mail or letter.

Letters to:

Jeremy Stewart

The Old Dairy Cottage, North Street, Emsworth, PO10 8SR.                                  

Fax No: 01243-37096,            

Bob Dean‘s Telephone No. is  01730-233596 , E-mail

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23 Responses to Historical Group

  1. Hi, not sure if you have any other details about the Corbrae but my father was in the navy during WWII and sailed on this ship. His name was John J Lynch. I would be interested in learning of the history of the ship during the war and any details . I believe he was a gunner.

    • Jean, many thanks for contacting us.
      The reason as to why HMS Corbrae is on our web site is just to show an early example of a Minesweeping Support Vessel. She was very much before our time consequently the minimum information shown. However I do have a collection of books that refer to WWII ships. I will look to see if I can find out more.

      Best wishes

      Bob

  2. Hi Bob,
    As mentioned on the Facebook page, happy be be part of the group. I have entered my email address above, I’ll look forward to hearing from you.
    Regards
    Ken

    • Ken apologies for delay in replying. As usual I’m running late again.
      Are you a member or have you just joined? I have to get an up-to-date membership list from our Membership Secretary so that I can keep up.
      Anyway welcome and please feel free to contact me if I can be of any assistance.

      Best wishes

      Bob

  3. While sorting through some old papers I came across a copy of “Inshore Flotilla” magazine from August 1966. This was the monthly magazine for the Singapore based minesweepers and support ships. The ink is a bit faded but still mostly readable. I have scanned it (26 pages, about 16Mb) so could send you them if you are interested.

    David Ayres

    • Hi David,
      Many thanks for contacting us.
      Yes please if its not too much trouble. Send to my e-mail address please which is as follows: –
      fenton1135@gmail.com
      Many thanks

      Bob

    • I joined Mull of Kintyre in late 66, as a baby stoker, I would love a copy of that magazine as well if you don’t mind.
      My e mail is rayveysey@gmail.com
      Thanks in advance

    • Ray,
      Only members of the TCA qualify for a copy of the association magazine ‘Ton Talk’. Membership only costs £10 per year which is great value as there are other benefits available.
      Download the application form from the website or send me your address and I will post a copy.
      Regards
      Bob

  4. Hello,
    I am interested to discover if you have records of the named mine sweeperthat was adopted by our school, Brownlee Green in Wythenshaw Manchester during the war, as I have been reminiscing with my grand children who are doing projects. It would be great to remember more and fill in the gaps, as I remember being in charge of fund raising teas and dances and helping with entertaining the crews when they came into port and visited our school.
    I would be very grateful for any info or links so i can remember more, and look forward to hearing from you.
    yours sincerley,

    Pauline Wilby

    • Pauline many thanks for contacting us. It is an interesting subject you have raised and I will see if i can find out anything for you. However I must point out a couple of things.
      The Ton Class of minesweepers that I and my fellow members served on are all post WWII and I was very young during the period you speak about.
      It would be of assistance if you could think of the name of the Minesweeper that Wythenshaw adopted.
      On a personal note it is interesting to get an enquiry from someone about an area I know. Even though I live down south my mother was born in Manchester, my grandfather & step grandfather were police sergeants in Manchester and I occasionally visit a friend who lives near Wilmslow.
      I hope to get back to you soon.
      Best wishes
      Bob

  5. Hi. Does anybody know the Origin of the name HMS Wotton? There’s a few places in the uk sharing that name. Many thanks.

    • Nick as far as I can see HMS WOTTON M1195 was named after a village called Wotton under Edge that lies in the countryside just to the east of the M5, south of Stroud, north of Bristol.
      She was affiliated to TS Dolphin at Parkston in Dorset.
      The Wotton was laid down 25th June 1954 built be Philip & Son, Dartmouth & commissioned 18th April 1958. She had a very active life being fully operational for 25 years. The Wotton was finally paid off from the RN in November 1984 and loaned to Woolwich Unit, Sea Cadets 1986-89. Sold to Brugse Scheepssloperij for break-up November 1992.

  6. Hello, my name’s Les Pickstock and I’ve reading your site for a while, As a keen modeller I found the photo’s on the site very interesting.
    After thinking about it for a while I’ve decided to proceed with a model of a Ton Class. I got a lot of drawing and pictures and feel confident I can build a nice model of these great little ships.
    However 2 things have got me stumped. I’ve got 4 different sets of drawing including a couple of builders general arrangement drawings. None of these drawing show the distance between the propeller shafts or rudders (which I assume are the same distance apart) I would consider it a great kindness if someone here could help me out. Does anyone know the measurement between the center of the propellors in feet and inches or metric? I can make the scale calculation easily, once I have the measurement.
    My second question may be a little easier, On the port side of the Bridge superstructure, at deck level, there is a large disc shaped feature with a convex domed cover. I think it’s pump hose stowage but can anyone confirm or refute this? It doesn’t seem to be present on all the ships of the class or on the builders drawings I have.
    I’d be very grateful for any help you’re members could offer and will continue to read you’re site with interest.
    Many Thanks, Les Pickstock

    • Good day Les,
      Apologies for the delay in acknowledging your post.
      I think your first question is going to be a tad difficult to answer. However I will see if I can find out anything plus hope someone sees your message and can assist.
      There are two members who might be able to help so I will e-mail them shortly.
      Second question is easy.
      The domed like item is in fact a cover that is used to go over the asdic equipment. You will only see this on those Tons that were converted to Minehunters. If you require any further info please e-mail me at fenton1135@gmail.com
      Have you had a look at the Model page on the site? I would be happy to receive photographs of your build as it progresses.
      Best wishes
      Bob

  7. In the April Ton Talk theres a article about the ROYAL NAVAL PATROL SERVICE, my wife has just produced a patrol service silver badge, which belonged to her uncle Barty Goslin who command a trawler

  8. Bob
    Thanks for the response. I hadn’t considered that it was ASDIC equipment. Was it deployed over the side or integral to the superstructure?
    Many thanks
    Les Pickstock

    • Les it was deployed over the side. Never having served on a hunter I’m not very well up on it. However if you require further info I know someone who could probably answer any questions on this and other aspects.

      Best wishes
      Bob

  9. Hi Everyone

    I have a friend whose relative served in Minesweepers during the 1st World War and has asked me if I can find any information pertaining to this period. Whilst I understand your records don’t go back that far, I wondered if anyone might be able to steer me to where I can glean more information.

    Yours aye

    David Saxby

    • David this is going back some. What exactly is it your after. Your best bet might be one or all of the following: –
      Portsmouth Historic Dockyard museum
      Maritime Museum Greenwich
      Imperial War Museum, London
      All can be accessed by the internet.

      Bob

  10. I am currently doing a qualification, called EPQ or extended project qualification, at my school Belfair’s high school in Leigh on sea in Essex. For my project I wish to make a DVD on the HMS Wilton as it currently serves as the Headquarters to the Essex yacht club of which I am a member, and the club would much appreciate your help.
    I am writing to you to ask if you would happen to have any video archives of the ship or any information that I can use in my documentary.
    Any help would be much appreciated and I would be happy to send you a final copy of my film afterwards.
    Thank you and hope to hear back soon
    Jack Veitch

  11. Trying to see if anyone knows where i can obtain a copy of the minesweeping ad for SENIOR SERVICE cigs made in malta onboard HMS DILSTON
    1956/7

  12. Does anyone remember a visit to Whitehaven by HMS Kirkliston in 1972?

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